'Sinister guy with sinister motives': New Trump BOMBSHELLS revealed

Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan's book about the first 14 months of Trump's second term is out, and Symone and Eugene have questions. Is someone recording in the Situation Room? Why does Vice President Vance come out looking so good in all these stories? Speaking of which, why is he being graded on a curve? They also talk about Eugene's interview with Senate candidate James Talarico, who is handling attacks on his masculinity pretty well – but seems to have not anticipated them, which was probably a mistake. And then our hosts take up a question from a longtime listener to Clock It: people with no criminal backgrounds are still getting detained by ICE; so why has the media stopped talking about it? Turns out there's plenty of blame to go around on that one – from, yes, the media's commercial imperatives, but also to the American people and Democratic leadership.

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